Mentalist

[Mort]

Memnoch Devalios the Mentalist

The Mentalist is able to deal huge amount of damage,
but is very fragile, due to low hp he is quite easy to kill with offensives
He is one of the harder heroes to survive with

Heavy

Damage Reduction:
Chaos 100%
Hero 100%
Magic 125%
Normal 100%
Pierce 100%
Siege 100%
Spells 125%

Skills:Heavy


Innate: Focus Moonbeam
Has a limited range to be casted but lasts a long time in the area casted. Grants extra mana regeneration to heroes in the area of the beam. Is used in the Dazzle spell and which destroys the Moonbeam.


Level 1: Seal of Deflection
An ability when activated takes some of the damage that would normally affect your health and instead damages your mana. As the spell progress the amount of mana damage you take for each health damage goes in your favor ( being the amount of damage taken to your mana is smaller then it would be to your health) and eventually just damages your mana when it's active. It can be deactivated by clicking on the skill or when your mana reaches zero, and has a small cooldown before it can be reactivated.
Note: When you level up this ability it doesn't upgrade the Seal of the level you're using just the level you can use. So you must turn off the Seal then reactivate it.


Level 1: Dazzle
A spell that causes the Mentalist's Moonbeam to explode damaging all the creeps around it 50% of their current health which means it can't kill. However is extremely useful spell mid to late game when creeps have high health and only decent early on. Another reason why its great ability is because it weakens creeps so they can be finished by Moonblade. Spend one or two points into this ability keeping it as a back up then max it out around the first bonus wave.


Level 6: Moonblade
A passive ability that does a small percent of the Mentalist's damage to the creeps around the target the Mentalist is attacking. It starts off being only a small percent but eventually does more damage to the creeps around the target then to the target itself. No matter what build your doing with the Mentalist always put points into this ability when possible as it's essentially the reason for picking the Mentalist.


Level 10: Aura of Sight
Greatly regenerates the Mentalist Mana and when combined with a maxed out Seal of Deflection makes him almost invincible as he only takes mana damage, but continuously regenerates it. Use Aura of Sight as your mana starts to get low or when you know its about to because of a large group of creeps.
Note: Is not dispelable!

Summary for Mana Tanking Build:
The mana tanking build relies on managing your mana to prevent Seal of Deflection from being deactivated due to a lack of mana. This will force you to rely on low health and will also put Seal of Deflection on a cooldown which you should avoid as much as possible. Activate Aura of Sight on the extremely tough waves but remember that if haven't got Seal of Deflection at level 10, you will still lose health, and you will be easier to mana burn, when you got your Ultimate on, and it doesn't actually make you invincible as it is still possible for them to break through your mana. For killing use Dazzle as much as possible and attack creeps with low health with your Moonblade. As Moonblade is stronger on creeps that you're not attacking then the ones you are.

Summary for Train Stats Tanking Build:
This build is identical in killing as the Mana Tanking Build and is only different in how you survive. With this build you only level up Seal of Deflection one level so you can activate it only to get rid of your mana when it gets to high to prevent mana burn. Also ignore Aura of Sight this will leave you with 19 more points to put into Train Stats. This is a much more reliable and effective build that will also allow you to utilize armor effectively since you won't be relying on Seal of Deflection which isn't based on armor.

Suggested playstyle:
Mentalist is one hero who only benefits by more damage, so the more damage you have, the more he can inflict, as he is fragile, he might need a ring or two...
And getting Evasion with Arbelog Paw Boots, and later combine to Elite Elven Boots.
Since they changed Aura of Sight, the Mana Build is much safer, however it's still easy to mana burn Mentalist.

[alifetaker]

i quite like the mentalist, and the moonblade is a very nice damage dealer, it is a VERY strong hero, it can tank a lot of damage and deal a lot of damage at the same time, but i am not sure how to item build him, Are mana regen stafs better or just pure damage build with skullcleavers and mirror blades?

[Mort]

I would say pure damage, although, IF you can handle it, more mana means longer protection with Seal of Deflection, after roughly 4k of mana you will be ok and can get mana from your ultimate, but mentalist's 2 big enemies; Mr.Stun and Ms.Burn is always a big problem.

I like playing Mentalist with 2 Gleaming early on, moving on to Spineripper. And any items's that increase damage, i might even get Ring of Victory if needed.

Gleaming-->Armor-->Gleaming-->Arbelog Paw Boots-->Elite Elven Boots-->Spineripper-->Ironbark Leathers

However depending on the funds i recieve from my team(if i get any) i might go with second gleaming before armor.

[ingenting]

you need mental's ulti for status build
that is the only thing can save him at late game if got stunned or just for survival

[ingenting]

moonblade:
20%
30%
45%
60%
75%
90%
110%
130%
159%
200%
seal of reflection:
55%
60%
65%
70%
75%
80%
85%
90%
95%
100%
aura of sight(20secs):
80
124
190
280
425
600
850
1200
1650
2255

[bullettrue]

While Mentalist isn't my favorite hero, I do believe that the stat build is the only real way to play him. Although the mana way is good, the chances for burn later in the game are still too high, although you could always retrain to stat mid-late game.

[ingenting]

Jan 26, 2009 19:25:57 GMT -5 bullettrue said:

While Mentalist isn't my favorite hero, I do believe that the stat build is the only real way to play him. Although the mana way is good, the chances for burn later in the game are still too high, although you could always retrain to stat mid-late game.

well i dont think there is only one way to build a hero,
It all depends on ur team's hero combo,
if u dont really need to tank, shield build sounds more suitable than status
if u dont need to kill, u dont even need to learn moonblade(if u have another mage or a great killer melee)
as I mentioned, ur ulti might save u late game.

[Mort]

IF i have to tank with Mentalist i would take the stats build, as it's much more safe at start, however if i don't tank, i like using the manabuild, as I can teleport in and/or out of battle as I want, hit when I'm more or less immortal, and run when it is starting to fade away, later you might even have a full mana pot to stay in combat longer.

Another of my favorites, dazzle, dazzle, dazzle & dazzle!
If you have a team with somewhat good aoe(cleric, faenrae, trader) dazzle is a good way to make at least a few creeps lose 50% of their damage, thus making them easier to kill, however I prefer to do this when I hit n run!

[evasionx]

Can you post some builds for the mana and damage build ?
I tried a hybrid Stat and Seal Switch (1 point on each per level) and getting Moonblade whenever I was allowed but it failed miserably and my defense was fail. Aura of Sight was what I was lacking.
I have no idea what items to get and I find no point to Dazzle that much other then spend one point and leave it as a last stand.
Can you post what items you need for both builds ?
For mana build I think you have to Seal of Deflection -> Moonblade -> Aura Sight -> Train Stat
For damage build I think it is Train Stat -> Moonblade -> 1 Seal of Deflection and that's it.
I am still confused about the items though, the damage build I was following:
"http://www.mtteam.proboards70.com/index.cgi?board=strategy&action=display&thread=75"
Made me die a lot since I pull a lot of aggro a lot of times and bloodthirst doesn't really affect me that much. I need to find a way of getting a lot of armor or something that doesn't make me die quickly while still attaining the damage.
For the items on the mana build, I HAVE NO CLUE.
Little help ?

[marx]

Yeah try thinking about what mentalist does, before deciding build and items.

A step-by-step guide on what to level is really a horrible thing to give to players as most games require you to check your team and the other team to decide what to level up.

But while you are here, try reading this guide first . It gives some solid tactics on how to play mentalist.

Also in terms of defense, a mentalist is NOT a tank. There is a reason why he is in the spellcaster section. He is a mage. Hit and run.

He just happens to have a shield that can give him temporary immunity to damage, and even this can be compromised with offense/ enough damage.



Items? I think this guide covers the basics well enough.

And the guide you were following was horrible. He didnt mention leveling mana shield until level 25. Why do you need mana shield? Think about it

[evasionx]

Mana Shield aka Seal of Deflection right ?
He only mentioned leveling it up once.
So if Mentalist is Damage then he can only tank on important matters.
I'm trying to think of how to make him damaged while still attaining some things. This hurts my head so much, can you give me some more facts ? The mentalist is someone I want to master.

[marx]

Read the guide please. Up top.

[evasionx]

Summary for Train Stats Tanking Build:
This build is identical in killing as the Mana Tanking Build and is only different in how you survive. With this build you only level up Seal of Deflection one level so you can activate it only to get rid of your mana when it gets to high to prevent mana burn. Also ignore Aura of Sight this will leave you with 19 more points to put into Train Stats. This is a much more reliable and effective build that will also allow you to utilize armor effectively since you won't be relying on Seal of Deflection which isn't based on armor.

Suggested playstyle:
Mentalist is one hero who only benefits by more damage, so the more damage you have, the more he can inflict, as he is fragile, he might need a ring or two...
And getting Evasion with Arbelog Paw Boots, and later combine to Elite Elven Boots.
Since they changed Aura of Sight, the Mana Build is much safer, however it's still easy to mana burn Mentalist.

Depending on my teammates I would have to choose the Mana side or the Damage side. But however items I will be needing are basically damage items due to them being the thing that benefits the Mentalist would be the Elite Elven Boots at the latest.
If they need a sub-tank or someone to stall I will use the Damage build but if they already got someone to kill all of the creeps I would just use the mana build to protect them. Is this right ? It all depends on the situation of the game.

Embarrassment: I tried a mana build where Moonblade -> Aura of Sight -> Seal of Deflection, spent my first point on Train Stats and later in game when I wasn't high enough level for Seal of Deflection and had a choice between Dazzle and Train Stats I did 1 Dazzle to make sure. I had the Ring of Victory, Scepter of the Magi, and Elite Elven Boots but the thing I was lacking most was damage and so I just stood there doing little damage for 20 seconds and trying to kill as much as I can but in the end I failed.

[Cheezeman]

no one wants to help you?
Geez I would, but I havn't experienced Mentalist the pro way...

Someone update this guide? It's 1.88 now.

[worldtop]

Feb 7, 2009 9:50:49 GMT -5 Cheezeman said:

no one wants to help you?
Geez I would, but I havn't experienced Mentalist the pro way...

Someone update this guide? It's 1.88 now.

I think marx helped him
and I think it's better for him to show
what hero combo his team used so ppl can give more meaningful advice/discussion.............?

if he got more questions with this guide, he should come back and ask..........
or ............. dont know if he figured it out or just too shy.............

the ring of victory gives u more attack speed and hp, very minor dmg from the increased int. so this is not a dmg build if u dont carry a early telo/mid game spine/ late game mirror blade..............
mentalist is swords hungery hero cause of his cleaving, so pls get high dmg swords for him, the more dmg u have, the more powerful ur cleaving is and then that leads to clearing monsters faster-->you take less dmg-->less hp losing-->stay alive!!
and dazzle helps ur killing......................

to me, the main diff between status and shield build is 9 points into status or ur shield(ya i still get 1 lvl of shield for status build)...............................

he is not a melee, he cant stand there all the time to tank under offensive spells, dont and never treat him as a normal melee. after all you choose it from mages row...........?

set moon beam around ur melee tank, when ur dazzle ready, and there are plenty of monsters surround ur tank, use dazzle b4 u use aura of sight and go in to clear them up(ya dont forget to turn ur shield on). with dazzle and a decent sword, shouldnt have any problem to clear them up(except ranged wave)
early lvl of aura of sight easily runs out and shield will be disable so dont forget to turn it back on after u got mana back/ shield cd is over.

every mage should only move towards monsters when his spells are ready...........................

if u want him to tank all the time with/out his ulti, try easy mode and finish game b4 archers(oh at the same time no offensive spells).........................

Shield build?
max dazzle and shield and aura of sight
you still need those swords, cause if u kill monsters faster u get less dmg per sec..............
y ur bloodthirst cant keep u alive? cause bloodthirst is not an elixir, it only works on ur white number dmg X 10%, and u compare this to the dmg monsters do to u
u can see how pathetic u leech if u cant hit fast enough or u have low white number dmg......................

items?
armor, boots, potion, mana potion, swords(skip bloodthirst, get spine, y? try it out and tell us?)................and skip ring of victory if u have decent tank(well if he sucks, better luck next game)to get mirror.
maybe u would say ring of victory is cheaper but to me, mirror is way better(y?)

again this is a team survival game, dont think his cleaving is un-stoppable
if u can make someone tank for u, dont tank urself..............
only go kill monsters with ur dazzle and aura of sight ready....................
then u dont have to worry about his low hp issue?

never get that combo staff if ur mana will be over ur hp after acquiring it(y? )
u never lack ur mana with ur ulti right? so more mana doesnt mean u kill faster. swords and dazzle make u kill faster.

hope I didnt misunderstand your posts and also hope this helps to clear things up.........................

and again, a guide just gives u a general idea how to build a hero,
I dont see a step by step building guide is feasible or practical,
like at what lvl to put points to what skill, u know what skill ur teammates' heros lack, u lvl up that skill first and meanwhile get the skill which helps u to survive.
I think it's more fun that everyone develop their own build based on the guide(which is early game development) so we can discuss it.